Loved it! It's very likely that Melkor represented fire in the mind of Eru and therefore sought it everywhere as the Flame Imperishable. But he sought it for himself with greedy love as Feanor would later down the road. It makes perfect sense that Eru wanted Melkor to return. Thanks!
Anytime, and yeah Melkor is the destructive fire to be sure, though I find it funny that the creative fire Melkor sought was therewith Eru the whole time.
And yeah he probably did hold out hope his eldest son might redeem himself. Trouble is Melkor is unlikely to do so.
I don't think Eru is the bad guy - I think he allows himself to roll the dice, he gives his creations free will, and the he allows those free wills to play out as they will. Well, mostly (it's suggested by Gandalf there are, at times, greater powers in play than those we meet in LOTR). But, mostly, those who choose darkness are allowed to fall.
Also, I'm fascinated by the idea that the universe created by Eru is complex enough to have "the abyss that waits for you" for those who become truly evil. What is the abyss? Nothingness? An eternal darkness? An endless falling into?
I concur, he gives free will that they might rise or fall on their own. I was looking at the argument that some have posed that Eru is guilty by extension because of what he ‘allows’ Morgoth to do.
Yeah, I guess some people argue that if Eru is omnipotent then he is responsible because he knows what will come to pass, but that's an argument for predestination, the absence of true free will, and all sorts of rabbit holes.
Agreed, I tend to think he is omnipotent and maybe even omniscient but free will remember still surprises him and flouts his predictions such as with Numenor. He mostly sees possible futures and tries to leave as much in the hands of mortals.
I tend to think of it this way; God in the Bible is surprised by the Centurion who believed in him yet he marvels at him and likes him. This was not expected by him, same with Eru. Some things are predicted yet little things slip through the net and surprise him all the same.
Everything Melkor did and meant to destroy turned into things of beauty that brought glory to Eru.
He boiled the seas, and snow formed out of that. He brought down mountains, and Eru raised them back.
That would continue all throughout the ages.
Very true
Loved it! It's very likely that Melkor represented fire in the mind of Eru and therefore sought it everywhere as the Flame Imperishable. But he sought it for himself with greedy love as Feanor would later down the road. It makes perfect sense that Eru wanted Melkor to return. Thanks!
Anytime, and yeah Melkor is the destructive fire to be sure, though I find it funny that the creative fire Melkor sought was therewith Eru the whole time.
And yeah he probably did hold out hope his eldest son might redeem himself. Trouble is Melkor is unlikely to do so.
Glad you liked it X)
True!
The title of all father is not just Nordic, it shows up in Gaelic too as a title for the Dagda.
Good point
I don't think Eru is the bad guy - I think he allows himself to roll the dice, he gives his creations free will, and the he allows those free wills to play out as they will. Well, mostly (it's suggested by Gandalf there are, at times, greater powers in play than those we meet in LOTR). But, mostly, those who choose darkness are allowed to fall.
Also, I'm fascinated by the idea that the universe created by Eru is complex enough to have "the abyss that waits for you" for those who become truly evil. What is the abyss? Nothingness? An eternal darkness? An endless falling into?
I concur, he gives free will that they might rise or fall on their own. I was looking at the argument that some have posed that Eru is guilty by extension because of what he ‘allows’ Morgoth to do.
Yeah, I guess some people argue that if Eru is omnipotent then he is responsible because he knows what will come to pass, but that's an argument for predestination, the absence of true free will, and all sorts of rabbit holes.
Agreed, I tend to think he is omnipotent and maybe even omniscient but free will remember still surprises him and flouts his predictions such as with Numenor. He mostly sees possible futures and tries to leave as much in the hands of mortals.
I tend to think of it this way; God in the Bible is surprised by the Centurion who believed in him yet he marvels at him and likes him. This was not expected by him, same with Eru. Some things are predicted yet little things slip through the net and surprise him all the same.