I still say the failing was in the Jedi code. The Jedi were like a cult in that they took children away from their parents, took them to a strange place, and taught them to ignore their emotions and passions.
If the Jedi had been normal people with access to their emotions, they would have recognized that Anakin was in emotional pain when he killed the Sand people. They would have gotten him counseling and tried to heal his emotional damage. Had they been normal people, they would have accepted his love for Padme and rejoiced in the fact that two young people were in love. They would have known that love was the greatest strength a man and woman can have. They would have come to know that Palpatine was evil and could have chased him off in strength of purpose. Had the Jedi welcomed patience and understanding, they would have noticed something wrong with the clones and would have helped them overcome order 66.
Contrast that to Luke and Leia, at least as they were in the Expanded Universe. Han and Leia fell in love and created a family. Leia in the EU overcame her past as Vader's daughter and helped out people that the Empire had destroyed. Luke explored love in the Expanded Universe, first with Castilla, then with Mara Jade, who he fell in love with and had a family. In this way, Luke fixed the flaws with the Jedi code and created a stronger Jedi community.
That's why Disney turning Luke into a bitter old blue milk-drinking fool pissed me off. I had grown up reading that Luke was a hero, a loving husband, and a father.
Can’t argue as I do agree with everything you just said, and interestingly it was Obi-Wan who first saw the flaws like you said and had a whole series of reforms in mind.
Everything we see Luke do, Obi wanted to do with his reforms. The trouble is that it is hard to see how the Jedi might accept it when he’d become Grandmaster (as Obi was 2 in line after Mace).
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I remember watching this fight in the theater opening night as a kid and being like, "This is the single greatest thing I've ever seen in my whole life" because of course guys fighting with laser swords around an industrial facility collapsing into magma is badass. And then I remember watching it as an adult and watching it closely and being so impressed, as you pointed out, the carein the choreographer where you can see that while Anakin means to outright kill, Obi-wan is fighting to defend and disarm. It's an impressive level of detail I feel like Hollywood is almost incapable of replicating today.
Agreed it was the same for me, though I've been thinking for some time that Star Wars was never hollywood as Lucas is an independant film-maker who has almost relied on his own money to make his movies rather than the big studios like Steven Spielberg did.
That's a completely valid point to make. I forget that Lucasfilm was mostly independent of the big studio system. No coincidence that they did their best work when that was the case. Same with the dearly departed Lucasfilm Games. Tragic they were parceled off to EA by Disney.
Agreed, and from what I read up Lucas ran it more like how his dad ran the family gas-station. So he clearly knew what he was doing in contrast to the idiots at Disney/Blackrock.
Eh, the only Prequel duel that really blew me away was Duel of the Fates. After that, it was all a bunch of cartoony, overchoreographed nonsense. I used to think the best lightsaber duel was in Return of the Jedi, but now I lean towards Empire Strikes Back.
I still say the failing was in the Jedi code. The Jedi were like a cult in that they took children away from their parents, took them to a strange place, and taught them to ignore their emotions and passions.
If the Jedi had been normal people with access to their emotions, they would have recognized that Anakin was in emotional pain when he killed the Sand people. They would have gotten him counseling and tried to heal his emotional damage. Had they been normal people, they would have accepted his love for Padme and rejoiced in the fact that two young people were in love. They would have known that love was the greatest strength a man and woman can have. They would have come to know that Palpatine was evil and could have chased him off in strength of purpose. Had the Jedi welcomed patience and understanding, they would have noticed something wrong with the clones and would have helped them overcome order 66.
Contrast that to Luke and Leia, at least as they were in the Expanded Universe. Han and Leia fell in love and created a family. Leia in the EU overcame her past as Vader's daughter and helped out people that the Empire had destroyed. Luke explored love in the Expanded Universe, first with Castilla, then with Mara Jade, who he fell in love with and had a family. In this way, Luke fixed the flaws with the Jedi code and created a stronger Jedi community.
That's why Disney turning Luke into a bitter old blue milk-drinking fool pissed me off. I had grown up reading that Luke was a hero, a loving husband, and a father.
Can’t argue as I do agree with everything you just said, and interestingly it was Obi-Wan who first saw the flaws like you said and had a whole series of reforms in mind.
Everything we see Luke do, Obi wanted to do with his reforms. The trouble is that it is hard to see how the Jedi might accept it when he’d become Grandmaster (as Obi was 2 in line after Mace).
I remember watching this fight in the theater opening night as a kid and being like, "This is the single greatest thing I've ever seen in my whole life" because of course guys fighting with laser swords around an industrial facility collapsing into magma is badass. And then I remember watching it as an adult and watching it closely and being so impressed, as you pointed out, the carein the choreographer where you can see that while Anakin means to outright kill, Obi-wan is fighting to defend and disarm. It's an impressive level of detail I feel like Hollywood is almost incapable of replicating today.
Agreed it was the same for me, though I've been thinking for some time that Star Wars was never hollywood as Lucas is an independant film-maker who has almost relied on his own money to make his movies rather than the big studios like Steven Spielberg did.
That's a completely valid point to make. I forget that Lucasfilm was mostly independent of the big studio system. No coincidence that they did their best work when that was the case. Same with the dearly departed Lucasfilm Games. Tragic they were parceled off to EA by Disney.
Agreed, and from what I read up Lucas ran it more like how his dad ran the family gas-station. So he clearly knew what he was doing in contrast to the idiots at Disney/Blackrock.
Eh, the only Prequel duel that really blew me away was Duel of the Fates. After that, it was all a bunch of cartoony, overchoreographed nonsense. I used to think the best lightsaber duel was in Return of the Jedi, but now I lean towards Empire Strikes Back.
While I disagree, I can respect your pov.